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Dick Cheney's Freedom Now Hangs On The Content of 10 Computer Hard Drives

Fri May 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
world-news, bush, cheney, osama, bin, laden
By UVA
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I have invested most of every wakeful hour in the last 25 years in front of a computer. My company bought one of the very first useful desktop PC's ever, the 1983 model IBM PC XT, followed closely in 1985 by our purchase of a second PC, the IBM PC AT 3270 with terminal emulation, a faster, smaller futuristic gem.

I quickly migrated all of my work onto the near-paperless infrastructure we built, teaching myself to use popular word processing and relational database building software. I taught myself to to write SQL programs to extract data in any form I desired, and quickly took on writing programs that generated linear and multiple regression, as well as chi-square analyses.   By 1987, I was a whiz at analyzing large volumes of data. We hired data entry operators to enter ever paper record we had on hand or in storage, some dating back to my grandfather's shipments of bauxite and coal in 1947. By the time we finished electronically collecting our history, our mainframe computer held no fewer than 250,000 records of company transactions, with every field coded and given values. We became so proficient at analyzing every aspect of our business processes that we reduced our operating costs by nearly 60%, because we took the early leap, and gambled on those investments in PC's. 

Today, all but retired from that business, I still find myself in front of either of my 2 PC's most of every day (one is a Media Center for great access to giant screen TV, Internet, & Radio). But I have amassed, over the last 5 years, no less than 6 terabytes of data, including video footage, photos, emails, word documents, PDF's, music (mp3, wav, CD), and a few recorded TV shows. I have all this stored on four (4) internal hard drives and four (4) external hard drives. Additionally, I have everything deemed critical backed up on DVD's. The data, family videos, travel photos, etc., spans more than three (3) decades.

Now, we know the Bin Laden Family's history with the Bush Family spans far more time than the time span of my records do. And Dick Cheney has quite a long history within the world of the Bush/Bin Laden relationships, and within the world of Pakistan's recent leader, Pervez Musharraf.

I would have to believe that Osama Bin Laden had some of the same type files and data that I did. I'm guessing even the most hardened criminal has a soft spot for his or her children, mother, and maybe a favorite sister or brother. Bin Laden probably had some photos, some video clips, and letters from Aunt Salome.

But Osama Bin Laden didn't have as many hard drives as he did to store family memorabilia. No. Bin Laden had important data, and he had a plan to use it if required.

I am almost certain Bin Laden used some of those hard drives to "back-up" others, and even that would suggest that Bin Laden was not lying around waiting for the Grim Reaper.

I can only guess what events filled Bin Laden's final 4 or 5 minutes. But I would bet he did not destroy any of the data from the hard drives. And I may go as far as to suggest he was certain the U.S. Navy Seals were able to secure every bit of media completely intact.

And so, as I learned in the early 1980's, hard drive searches can be executed very quickly; and I learned you really cannot completely delete files from hard drives without some fairly complex software.

But then, why would Bin Laden have that many hard drives if his plan was to delete files?

Rest well, Dick Cheney and George Bush, while we await the results of those searches.

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UVA

I have to believe that this day Dick Cheney and George Bush are both very uneasy about the contents of Bin Laden's computer hard drives.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Fri May 6, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
Linda Luke

Oh wouldn't that just be a twist of fate!

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:39 PM EDT
UVA

Cheney has to be nervous, because he know Bin Laden knew too many of the same people he knew in that seedy world of oil crime.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:04 PM EDT
sceptical-2486196

UVA - I think quite a number of people who were part of former Administrations and some still in powerful positions right now have been having nightmares for a decade that bin Laden would turn up some where (worst scenario FSB had him) and talk.

The data drives are a worry but less so when he's dead.

    #1.3 - Sat May 7, 2011 7:42 AM EDT
    PalmettoArmadillo

    Wonder why the Arab world is so quiet in the aftermath? All hell was supposed to break loose if we ever got bin Laden. The info will never see the light of day. It will be carefully guarded and selectively used. If we ever see any of it, it will only be the trivial bits fed to us for our consumption. The money trails, the ISI contacts and collaborators, the names of others in the network currently unknown. There is too much at stake to show any of it im sure. Bush/Cheney worried, not so much as the Arabs who were secretly supporting him. This is where we find out who our friends are and who are the duplicitous ones

    • 3 votes
    #1.4 - Sat May 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDT
    sceptical-2486196

    I think the Arabs can live with being seen as duplicitous towards the West - considered Arab 'Street Cred'.

    For others in the West it's not quite so easy ...

      #1.5 - Sat May 7, 2011 11:19 AM EDT
      Jerry Verlinger

      Very interesting article UVA, might explain why Bush and company couldn't find somebody that was hiding in plain sight.

      byw, this article should not be seeded to Newsvine Community.

      "Newsvine Community is a group reserved for articles (NO SEEDS) about the Newsvine community itself."

      "No Political articles"

      • 2 votes
      #1.6 - Sat May 7, 2011 11:21 AM EDT
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      oldfogey

      I would suggest that bush and cheney are only the tip of the iceberg, although an inverted one. My only hope is that our government (US) makes those files available to all.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#2 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
      UVA

      I agree totally. I was not so interested at all in seeing anything of the photos of Bin Laden's corpse ... but I have MUCH interest in finding out the contents of those hard drives, and of all the paper records it appears he had as well.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#3 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT
      UVA

      Though no intended as part of this specific subject, I cannot help but think even a step beyond finding evidence of a real of represented relationship Bin Laden had with Cheney, and even wonder if President Obama will do the right thing, and bring Cheney forth to answer for it ...

      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:17 PM EDT
      knightofdespair

      I doubt it, most of the country has an unspoken rule that the USA never does anything wrong, that protection also extends to our leaders at least if they are republican, hell how many got busted for gay affairs, etc last year and virtually none of the base knows or cares?

      Its the ol double standard where we can never admit fault and never do research or debate the best course of action.

      • 3 votes
      #4.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:56 PM EDT
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      Jeff in Houston

      If those two bastards end up in prison, or better, in front of a firing squad, I will personally drop to my knees and thank the Lord. And I am a committed atheiest.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
      UVA

      ha ha ha ha ha ... put me down as more agnostic, but I share those sentiments!

      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:05 PM EDT
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      TheyreAllCrooks

      Interesting theory...

      I would think however that if Osama "knew where the Bush's buried the bodies"...he would've splattered it all over Al Jazeera by now.

      While I truly despise The Dick Cheney (and that's putting it mildly) and hold little respect for former president Bush, I'm not so certian either belongs in prison. They might, but I'm not sure.

      I didn't always feel this way...but I think president Obama made the right decsion to not go after them with investigations...that would set a bad precedent that we might never recover from.

      Osama paid for his crimes as evidenced by his missing head parts compliments of Team Six...and in time, if Bush & Cheney did crimes they will also pay.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri May 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT
      UVA

      Why would he have used Al Jazeera? Bin Laden's knew anything coming from Al Jazeera would have been completely discounted and rejected by the US Media.

      • 1 vote
      #6.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:07 PM EDT
      UVA

      If they were in any way involved with Bin Laden, in no matter what capacity, they must be held to answer for it.

      • 2 votes
      #6.2 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
      TheyreAllCrooks

      Al Jazeera, The National Enquirer...take your pick...but I for one will be surprised if anything like a smoking gun with Bush-Cheney prints on it comes off those hard drives...

      ...in a way I hope you're right because deep down I know that Cheney is the most evil man on this planet...

      There's been talk of a Bush famiky relationship with Bin Laden for many years...but doubt President Obama will throw that red meat on the grill...

      ...unless of course his polls numbers are horrible 3 weeks before the elecftin...then all bets are off! lol

      • 1 vote
      #6.3 - Fri May 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT
      UVA

      Oh, you must have known that Osama Bin Laden's brother, Salem Bin Laden, was George W. Bush's business partner in ARBUSTO ENERGY, the oil company Bush ran into the ground in the 1980's ... didn't you?

      • 4 votes
      #6.4 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:50 PM EDT
      TheyreAllCrooks

      So I've heard...but I still think that if he had something on the Bushs's he would've spilled the beans by now....just sayin'

        #6.5 - Fri May 6, 2011 6:05 PM EDT
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        digcreation

        this article is nothing but speculation. for all we know these drives could be filled with porn. or it could be all of al quedas safe houses and plans. (hopefully). or maybe he was collecting data in an effort to prove the earth is flat. you dont know.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:28 PM EDT
        UVA

        Or they could be filled with emails, phone numbers, and documents

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:50 PM EDT
        TheyreAllCrooks

        Porn probably - that was my first thought...I mean any guy who has to die in order to get 72 virgins when he already has 17 wives...has GOT to be big time into porn!

          #7.2 - Fri May 6, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
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          WILDWONDERFUL

          Another seed from the National Inquirer based on senseless logic

            Reply#8 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:30 PM EDT
            UVA

            So you think use of computer hard drives to store documents, photos, data, emails, etc., is senseless and illogical?

            There are, then at least a billion people on Earth who are senseless and illogical.

            • 2 votes
            #8.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:52 PM EDT
            WILDWONDERFUL

            It is not the use of the computer its your slam at Bush and Cheney that is senseless.

              #8.2 - Fri May 6, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
              Jeff in Houston

              I can't think of any slam against those two that would be senseless. I would at least entertain or look in to anything that would reveal them for what they really are.

              • 1 vote
              #8.3 - Sat May 7, 2011 11:45 AM EDT
              WILDWONDERFUL

              One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

              "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

              "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

              "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

              "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

              "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

              "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

              "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

              "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

              "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

              "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

              "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

              "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

              "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

              "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

              "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

              "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

              "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

              "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

              This amazes me how so many Democrats have such selective memories.

                #8.4 - Sat May 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT
                Jeff in Houston

                How many of your entries are post-lie? Not all of them but most of them. And only Bush and his ghouls took action on cooked intelligence. I DARE him or any of his fellwo war criminals to look in the eyes of ANY dead soldier's parents and say he did the right thing.

                What am I saying? I bet he could. It would be even more proof of his need to be hung for treason.

                • 1 vote
                #8.5 - Sat May 7, 2011 4:39 PM EDT
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                UVA

                But ... as I said, this is one report we will sit anxiously awaiting.

                  Reply#9 - Fri May 6, 2011 5:53 PM EDT
                  edward j-1337034

                  Hypothetically speaking, what if these hard drives reveal information linking bush/Cheney and bin laden, both post and prior to 9/11.

                  That's one hell of a can of worms to be opening, and how would that be dealt with.

                  The conspiracy theorists will be having a field day.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.1 - Fri May 6, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
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                  common sense-457836

                  You may well be right by I highly doubt the govt would ever release those files if they found them. Too much fall out.

                    Reply#10 - Fri May 6, 2011 7:45 PM EDT
                    Jeff in Houston

                    By all means, we must not upset the American versions of bin Laden.

                    • 2 votes
                    #10.1 - Sat May 7, 2011 11:46 AM EDT
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                    Jackie-355788

                    Your lumping all Arabs together forgetting the "Arab Spring" the youth in these Arab countries are not playing by the old playbook, meaning that the US Arab and Middle Eastern policy is going to have to change. We were complicit in supporting dictators when they want democracy and their share of the oil pile...There is no need for Al Queda now because they will have won their independance from the rich bastards ruling their countries. We might have the same problem with all these corporations wanted to buy power and the politician's prostitutes they have been paying, doesn't matter, democracies, dictatorships, monarchies, communism, people will over throw these governments if they are not eating or they feel that they have been enslaved..

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#11 - Sat May 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT
                    UVA

                    True, the Arab Spring will ultimately all-but solve the problem of violence against establishments.

                    But we have to confront what Bush & Cheney did to us, the USA.

                      #11.1 - Sun May 8, 2011 9:17 AM EDT
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                      Jackie-355788

                      Bush's grandfather was an arms dealer in WWI and he was just supporting the family business the 8 years he was in. The had their agenda taking office and it was clearly not to take out Osama and this needs to be investigated further. If there is collusion between the Bin Ladens, Cheney and Bush, I think the international community can come in a prosecute them and the 30% of the right wing fascists in this country will make it a point to try and start some bull@!$%# war here in the US. I will move to Canada becasue then I will know that America has truly lost their marbles and the 30% will cause the most damage to this country..

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#12 - Sat May 7, 2011 7:47 PM EDT
                      UVA

                      That 30% has caused more damage than all wars, great depressions, and acts of nature have done to the USA since the beginning of this nation.

                      And they will continue as long as the 70% keeps its collective head buried in the sand.

                      • 1 vote
                      #12.1 - Sun May 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT
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