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Obama's winning hand on religion - Religious Right - Salon.com

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I recently was talking with a friend, whose 84-year-old mother, a lifelong and devoted Catholic, recently stopped going to Mass. She was fed up, my friend said, with the “anti-Obama” lectures she heard at church. 

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UVA

The Obama administration — not unlike its predecessors of both parties — looks out with blinders at the religion landscape. The blinders extend no further than the religious groups with lobbyists (like the bishops) in Washington, who claim to represent their entire religion, even when, for example, 98 percent of Catholic women don’t seem to care that the bishops insist contraception is a sin.

Come on Mr. President ... don't listen to anyone, including some of your inner-circle.

You have all the "Aces" in your hand.

  • 25 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:13 AM EST
HappyToSeeYa

Obama would do better to govern and to run for reelection as a frankly secular candidate: the president who will ensure that policy is made based on reason and science, not religion. And he should make clear that he comes to this position precisely because he cherishes the free exercise of religion (or not) of all Americans.

The question that religionists must answer is whether they want to be tethered to government via acceptance of tax payer funds. Religionists do not have a right to accept tax payer money that they use for strict observance of their theology. If they accept tax payer money, they should accept that the tax payer money comes with strings attached that are likely in opposition to their theology.

Concerning politics and encouraging congregations to engage political leadership or vote in a particular manner: religionists have tax-exempt status keeping it safe from government intrusion all while the religionists are actively engaged in political discourse from their pulpits. It's time to re-examine that tax-exempt status.

  • 22 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:42 AM EST
JEFFINVA

By all means, if the church wants to delve into politics they can delve into taxes as well.

  • 39 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:00 AM EST
Walt42

I find it truly hypocrisy that the Catholic Church accepts funds from the US government, yet says the new ACA contraception rules violate separation of church and state. Apparently accepting funds doesn't !!

BUT, if 98 % Catholic women ignore the Church's edicts, reminds me of the time when the Pope threw astronomers (Galileo) into prison for saying the Earth isn't the center of the universe (which opposed what the Pope had said). The Catholic Church slowly accepted it. SO, when science, and the people lead the way, the Church will slowly follow.

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:23 AM EST
Thinknaboutit

All of my christian friends support Obama. Then again, I don't have any friends that support the 'mainstream' churches.

  • 9 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM EST
real michaud

Cut the churches off the government dole with this "faith based" crap which is just a rightwing plow to unite church and state straight from the Vatican.

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST
JEFFINVA

I find it strange that the church won't accept the health plan because of the contraception clause associated with it but will gladly take tax dollars, the same tax dollars that are used to start wars and kill others.

  • 16 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM EST
lib50

This is not a war on religion, this is a war on women brought on by the religious right/organized religion. Come on girls, we have work to do!

  • 16 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:12 AM EST
RI Mom

That totally inflated, bizarre accusation by the GOP that the President is DIVISIVE is all hooey.

The dividers are the Catholic Church and the GOP's anti woman nonsense on LEGAL abortion.

Fortunately, clearer minds will prevail over this antiquated gay bashing, contraception, Planned Parenthood, agenda that has NOTHING to do with global issues, the economy, famine, wars or real Pro-life problems like clean water and clean air.

Without contraception, if there is a reversal of ROE v. WADE ... orphanages would be in every town in America.

I have yet to have heard ONE pious Catholic clergy explain the 98% of Catholic women who DO take contraception. The "outrage" over HHS is manufactured.

  • 13 votes
#1.8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM EST
JBURNS-1894015

Catholicism is a personal religion, not a political party. If Catholics choose not to use any contraception, that is their religious right. Key word here is Religious.

I am not Catholic. I do not have a religious opinion regarding contraception.

This issue is way over blown just to get things stirred up and deflect from the improving economy and job growth.

If a company provides health care to all employees, there shouldn't be a stipulation that only birth control is not covered.

If a company provides full medical coverage, with no singular reference to contraception methods of any kind, it would be the choice of the individual to get a prescription for a birth control method. If it is against a particular woman's religious beliefs, no woman is mandated to use birth control.

As an equal employee every woman should be given the right to obtain any birth control if they choose.

If Viagra is covered and a non-issue for men, the attack on contraception for women is nothing more than blatant discrimination.

I am not Catholic. I have never seen or believed that a priest holds a higher place next to God than anyone else. A religion that protects pedophiles, should not be so pious to believe that because they are priests, it's okay, and they will be forgiven. However, women who use birth control will be damned to hell for all eternity. Sorry, I don't buy that.

I do not practice, follow or abide by the Catholic religion. No one has the right to shove it down my throat.

Protect your sinners and stay out of politics. My business is none of your business.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:32 PM EST
Carl Lafoon

The Male dominance in Religion and politics is coming to an end. The Catholic Church can say anything it wants but the Catholic Women are going to do what is right for them NOT what the Church keeps preaching.

The concept of Churches establishing contraceptive practices is wrong. The Church does not support the Children and Mothers who should have had a choice about the conception.

This high and mighty argument about Birth Control pills being part of all medical plans is just noise. It is going to happen. I assume the Women who are part of such a Medical plan could still NOT TAKE any contraception pill.

I don't think the bill says a Woman has to take the pill.

A big discussion about nothing. It is an election year so I guess we have to have issues.

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:09 PM EST
brian-2960723

The church purpose should be a place where different people can come for peace of mind, instead of trying to control and telling people what to think.

When GOP say no to women health prevention, they're simply say no to women and women's bodies.

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:55 PM EST
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UVA

The President was abused for his suggestion that Jesus had ideas other than succeeding in business without really trying.

Never mind that he fondly recalled a visit with Billy Graham, or made note of which evangelical pastors he prayed with. There’s no winning the Christian exceptionalists, because they sell fear, and they make a lot of money selling it.

  • 28 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:15 AM EST
HappyToSeeYa

There's no winning the Christian exceptionalists, because they sell fear, and they make a lot of money selling it.

cyber-ovation for UVA!

  • 13 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:43 AM EST
MYOB-1251250

Just like the gnop pushes fear to get votes.

    #2.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:55 AM EST
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    amelio

    It is well known through 'conventional wisdom' that God only favors the republicans. He named them "God's Own Party" in the first place, way back in the days when he gave Moses the 11 commandments (10 commandments plus the extra 11th commandment that St. Reagan brought back into the conservative consciousness several decades ago). So it's as clear and factual as a typical Fox News story that God is exclusively a right winger. The right wingers have declared this to be the case in their hearts and minds, and their god has no choice but to comply with the way they fashion him to be.

    And god is most important on the deity scale anyway, which is why the right mostly ignores Christ's teachings and other biblical minor details like treatment for the poor, the weak, the alien, those in prison, the hungry. You know, treatment of the least among us that Jesus said reflected on us and would be considered the same thing as treatment of him. But that takes hate and selfishness and makes them seem like bad things instead of self-righteous anger, and requires us to love our neighbors as ourselves, so Jesus' statements need to either be downgraded or else flatly ignored.

    Instead, there must be a different frame for christianity, where greed is good, wars are always just if there is an American flag in the fight, poor people - including children - deserve their lot because they're all lazy people who want handouts. One's worth in this world should only be based on how much material success they achieve rather than the content of their heart, gluttony is no longer a deadly sin but instead is a sign of affluence (only if you're not poor and on handouts, as mentioned above), bearing false witness is showing a win-at-all-costs attitude that god really prefers even though he didn't say so explicitly, everyone should only be concerned with safety and security for their individual selves by loving god with their words alone - showing love of god through actions is the same as trying to earn your way into heaven, so all that matters is what is said and not how one lives their life. And loving one's neighbor was a misinterpretation of Jesus' words - he actually meant to say that anyone who disagrees with you should be ridiculed, threatened, excluded from society, attacked, imprisoned, tortured, and hopefully killed, because god wants it that way.

    And pharisees got a bad rap back in Jesus day. Actually, they were the true keepers of the way to god, and thankfully their spirit has remained to this day where it is kept alive and strengthened by the followers of their way, which is now synonymous with God's way.

    Nope, Obama cannot claim to know god or be a man of faith. His views of God do not fit with the view that exists within the hardcore politco-religious true believers in God's Own Party. /s

    • 13 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:09 AM EST
    Rational Brent

    Some Democrats are opposing Obama on Obamacare issues today. They learned something in November of 2012.

      #3.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:26 AM EST
      Thinknaboutit

      They learned something in November of 2012.

      I see you must be one of those Reaganites, I predict you'll be seeking a new psychic mid November of 2012.

      • 14 votes
      #3.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:34 AM EST
      Rational Brent

      Oops-meant 2010.

      Got me!

      • 1 vote
      #3.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:40 AM EST
      thisbusymonster

      Some Democrats are opposing Obama on Obamacare issues today.

      This is literally a Fox News-style headline, Brent. WHAT Democrats? And FOR WHAT REASONS?

      Oh, I think you just planned my day for me, dude. Yesterday an ignorant quip about abortion and contraception led to me posting like 8 seeds on the right wing's abortion/contraception hypocrisy.

      I think today I will be posting FACTS and REALITY about Obamacare. Because I see some BULL@!$%# that needs to be paved over.

      Have you a real nice day, sir.

      • 12 votes
      #3.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM EST
      Rational Brent

      TBM, the Fox News thing comes across as "silly". FYI

      Here. Enlighten yourself, since Ed and Rachel obviously have you in a vacuum:

      Tim Kaine (ww w.washingtonpost.com/local/va-politics/kaine-splits-with-obama-on-birth-control-rule/2012/02/08/gIQAL7YvzQ_story.html)

      Bob Casey (w ww.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72650.html)

      Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. Facts are always welcome here.

        #3.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:57 AM EST
        Rational Brent

        Another thing thisbusy monster, this is Newsvine. You are largely preaching to your choire.

        Seed away!

          #3.6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:23 AM EST
          concerned-in-ohio

          I feel the Repubs believe more in the Old Testiment (God), while Dems believe more in the New Testiment (Jesus). Perhaps that is a too simpistic view of the parties.

          • 3 votes
          #3.7 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:32 PM EST
          Smith Cassidy

          Rational Brent

          Another thing thisbusy monster, this is Newsvine. You are largely preaching to your choir

          The 'choir' is the vast majority of Americans. The 'right' has gotten more than a little extreme in recent years...Michelle Bachmann being the poster-girl for said extremism.

          Further, Democrats disagreeing with one another is not new, though it is surprising to the 'right' who often follow along like sheeple.

          • 8 votes
          #3.8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:56 PM EST
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          UVA

          And today, Rick Santorum appears to be in a Catholic fantasy land, where he seems to be oblivious to the data that states explicitly that 98% of Catholic Women use contraceptives or provide them to their daughters!

          • 11 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:16 AM EST
          Thinknaboutit

          I think Catholics lost faith in their "church" when the church leaders decided to protect pedophiles. I suspect there is a high percentage of Catholic parents who would provide abortions for their daughters in cases of rape/incest as well. What if a priest impregnated a 12 or 13 year old, how on earth can that be construed as GOD'S WILL?

          • 10 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:41 AM EST
          UVA

          I suspect there is a high percentage of Catholic parents who would provide abortions for their daughters in cases of rape/incest as well.

          Absolutely!

          I don't care what Rick Santorum says, NO parent in their right mind would punish their child in this way.

          The reason Roe v. Wade was ruled on in 1973 was because society had already seen enough of this stuff.

          • 7 votes
          #4.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:50 AM EST
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          UVA

          President Obama needs only sit back now and allow the religious extremists to tear each other to shreds.

          And then we can all allow the true religious believers, who actually live their religion, to distance themselves from that group of crazed lunatics.

          This will happen by November if we just stand back! Don't touch anything!

          • 9 votes
          Reply#5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST
          outragious

          The only war being waged is being created by the Catholic church. No surprise there when one considers its history of condemnation and subjugation against those who do not and will not practice this particular faith and its outdated edicts.

          This is America, land of the free, but the Catholic Church and certain politicians are eroding and removing freedoms and liberties the American people are entitled to under the Constitution. The Constitution is what President Obama must follow in regards to making policies that concern all Americans.

          The Catholic church has many issues within that they have consistently refused to acknowledge. Child molestations and corruption has become rampant within this organization. Yet, none in the upper echelon have been brought to justice for these criminal acts. They use the donations and subsidies provided by their members and taxpayers to live in luxury, pay off molested victims and buy politicians to further their "special interests" that do not benefit anyone but this organization.

          Mr. President, do not bow down to this special interest group. This is not a war against religion. It is a war against the Constitutional rights of all Americans citizens who wish to live their lives without religious interference!

          • 9 votes
          #6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST
          Rational Brent

          Freedom of religion is in the 1st ammendment.

          Catholic bashing only serves to galvanize them further.

          None of you ever seem to credit them for the good things they do (ww w.catholiccharitiesusa.org/). But you're more than happy to point out their short commings.

          On a "mission"?

            #6.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:24 AM EST
            UVA

            The Catholic church has many issues within that they have consistently refused to acknowledge. Child molestations and corruption has become rampant within this organization.

            I realize the media is using this as a means to create a ratings bonanza. But wouldn't you think the Catholic Church would be a little embarrassed by what they have done?

            How do they stand in front of the world and pretend they have some moral high-ground?

            • 11 votes
            #6.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:25 AM EST
            UVA

            Catholic bashing only serves to galvanize them further.

            Their 2% are already galvanized. The 98% of Catholic women who use contraceptives will not join the other 2%.

            • 13 votes
            #6.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:28 AM EST
            onefan51

            Child molestations and corruption has become rampant within this organization.

            Exactly outragious. It would seem that this would be more important to the Catholic Church hierarchy than contraceptives for women. Keep government out of the bedroom ... especially religious government.

            • 9 votes
            #6.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:28 AM EST
            Rational Brent

            Moral high-ground? How about hundreds of non-profit hospitals and millions of meals served to the homeless, for starters?

            The 98% of Catholic women who use contraceptives will not join the other 2%.

            Then you guys have nothing to worry about!

              #6.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM EST
              UVA

              Moral high-ground? How about hundreds of non-profit hospitals and millions of meals served to the homeless, for starters?

              This would what Jesus spoke about ... but institutionalized child sex abuse eviscerates all that!

              • 14 votes
              #6.6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:43 AM EST
              Thinknaboutit

              None of you ever seem to credit them for the good things they do (ww w.catholiccharitiesusa.org/). But you're more than happy to point out their short commings.

              Do you realize this is not a "Good things the Catholic church has done" article? Maybe you should go write that article and let those who want to discuss this topic discuss it.

              • 10 votes
              #6.7 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:49 AM EST
              UVA

              Then you guys have nothing to worry about!

              My point exactly ...

              The extreme religious right will undoubtedly do something foolish, as they are unable to control their misguided fervor.

              So all we need do is stand back and watch it happen!

              • 10 votes
              #6.8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:55 AM EST
              outragious

              The 1st Amendment is "freedom of religion" but it also means "freedom FROM religion" as well.

              "Non-profit" hospitals are paid for the medical service provided via the patient's health care insurance and taxpayer subsidies. Just as the food to the poor is paid for by the same taxpaying subsidies. They do nothing for free!

              • 9 votes
              #6.9 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:01 AM EST
              real michaud

              amen...basically the catholic priesthood is nothing but a secret society for child molesters

              • 1 vote
              #6.10 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM EST
              UVA

              Do you realize this is not a "Good things the Catholic church has done" article?

              But when you write that article, be sure to list the thousands of sexually abused altar boys, and the now $Billion+ in hush money the Catholic Church is paying out.

              Tell the WHOLE story!

              • 11 votes
              #6.11 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM EST
              UVA

              "Non-profit" hospitals are paid for the medical service provided via the patient's health care insurance and taxpayer subsidies. Just as the food to the poor is paid for by the same taxpaying subsidies. They do nothing for free!

              Because the Catholic Church has been very crafty in reducing their operating costs to near $0, they use donations to lobby politicians all over Washington.

              Tell me why there are so many catholic organizations with "headquarters" buildings in Washington DC, where real estate is VERY expensive.

              • 10 votes
              #6.12 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST
              Rational Brent

              I have no problem with the "whole story" UVA. I'm not encumbered by ideology.

              The Catholic church (I'm agnistic-not a church goer) has a checkered history. I'm not denying that. But the people here seem to think it exists solely to molest altar boys and that is not the case.

              Why don't we just close down all the Catholic charrities, and the rest of the Christian charrities and see where we stand?

              I wonder why we haven't heard from Joe Biden for a few days?

                #6.13 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:26 AM EST
                UVA

                The Catholic church (I'm agnistic-not a church goer) has a checkered history. I'm not denying that. But the people here seem to think it exists solely to molest altar boys and that is not the case.

                This is not the case R. Brent.

                The fact is, until the Catholic openly addresses its criminal child sex abuse transgressions, the American people will become increasingly intolerant of them, no matter what they present as their "good deeds".

                And right now, the only voice they have in the contraception issue is the one provided by the even more desperate cable news industry.

                • 10 votes
                #6.14 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:34 AM EST
                Rational Brent

                You dislike them. I get that UVA.

                  #6.15 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST
                  outragious

                  R. Brent,

                  I can't answer for UVA, but I don't think it is about like or dislike. It is about what is right and wrong.

                  If those leading this organization can not tell the difference between what is right and what is wrong, how do they have the right to preach/dictate about anything to anyone? They, themselves are unable and unwilling to live in the very manner in which they demand of others. Thus the hypocrisy is exposed and overshadows any good deeds they claim to do.

                  • 6 votes
                  #6.16 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM EST
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                  Rational Brent

                  Obama will roll over on the Catholic contraceptive issue.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#7 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:21 AM EST
                  UVA

                  Obama will roll over on the Catholic contraceptive issue.

                  I hope he is smart enough to not "roll over" in front of a catholic priest.

                  • 11 votes
                  #7.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:29 AM EST
                  Rational Brent

                  Funny, right to the end, UVA.

                  LOL

                    #7.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:31 AM EST
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                    UVA

                    But on the topic, President Obama and the White House purposefully floated this out, because it will stir women to coalesce around the most important issue in this very important election year.

                    The next President will appoint two (2) new Supreme Court Justices, and we cannot afford to have a 6-3 or 7-2 Court stacked against women.

                    • 10 votes
                    Reply#8 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:46 AM EST
                    dwillie

                    I can jump off of Newsvine confident that I have read THE post of the day. If there were one single issue that should drive people to the polls, UVA, it is your oh so correct observation. Anyone who cringes at the possibility that their daughter's health care decisions will be dictated by the CPAC crowd better damn well have their butts at the polls.

                    • 14 votes
                    #8.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM EST
                    real michaud

                    amen...take a way a women's right then who is next?

                    • 8 votes
                    #8.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:12 AM EST
                    UVA

                    amen...take a way a women's right then who is next?

                    I know Americans love to imagine a nation of caring people who actually do all those things we pledge allegiance to in our chants to the flag.

                    But the truth is we still have a controlling element of a few powerful men who know that a controlled woman is a non-voting woman.

                    And a woman who does not vote is a greater danger to this society than any Islamic extremist ever was.

                    • 10 votes
                    #8.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:29 AM EST
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                    TooManyPuppies

                    olicies based on science and reason are the best way

                    I think we should change our anti american motto, to this one. IT should also be a federal law, that trumps states. And we should start putting it on our money right away.

                    and sorry the "in god we trust" which was added because right wingers were pissing in their pants over communists IS unamerican. This country is about freedom, FOR EVERYONE TO BE WHO THEY WANT TO BE. It is not about assimilation, or freedom to be any denomination of christian. WE are supposed to be free to be atheists to say "IN SCIENCE WE TRUST". You can giggle all you want and say "god" is a general god and we arent talking about the christian god, but we all know you are. It has nothing to do with tradition or america. It has to do with the religious hanging a cross on americans front door and saying "THIS PLACE IS ALL OURS" and if you dont believe everything we do, you are not welcome and that is the complete opposite of what america was supposed to be

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#9 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST
                    UVA

                    and sorry the "in god we trust" which was added because right wingers were pissing in their pants over communists IS unamerican.

                    Just as an aside .... that "communism" stuff was all economic, and it was literally the start of class warfare in America.

                    The wealthy way back then were telling us there would be NO sharing of the wealth in this nation.

                    • 9 votes
                    #9.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 9:52 AM EST
                    outragious

                    It is not about assimilation....

                    These religious fanatics remind me of:

                    We are the Borg..

                    You will be assimilated..

                    Resistance is futile..

                    You will become one with the Borg!!

                    Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.... 8)

                    • 8 votes
                    #9.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:31 AM EST
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                    dwillie

                    The solution to this and other problems with our health care finance system is staring us in the face.

                    Single-payer, universal coverage among other things separates church and state quite nicely.

                    • 13 votes
                    Reply#10 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM EST
                    UVA

                    The solution to this and other problems with our health care finance system is staring us in the face. Single-payer, universal coverage among other things separates church and state quite nicely.

                    We're headed there. We first have to end lobbying in Washington and pass a law to end "Citizen's United".

                    • 11 votes
                    #10.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST
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                    tyler-1708225

                    With the number of Catholics in the world the loss of one 84 year old does not shown representation of the church as a whole.

                      Reply#11 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST
                      UVA

                      With the number of Catholics in the world the loss of one 84 year old does not shown representation of the church as a whole.

                      Maybe not one 84 year-old .... but the $$$Billions they will pay out in criminal child sex abuse cases will.

                      • 8 votes
                      #11.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:36 AM EST
                      Tessy

                      But with 98% percent of women in the Catholic church on birth control - that does show representation of the church as a whole - regarding their outdated, antiquated, misognystic mindset.

                      With all their politicking and anti-Obama rhetoric - how does that reflect on the Catholic Church? Very poorly!

                      • 7 votes
                      #11.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:44 AM EST
                      JBURNS-1894015

                      Women have had to fight the same issues when ever a Republican majority takes hold. What if even more disturbing is the Tea Party and religious zealots who have joined forces with Republicans.

                      They are so incompetent at legislating they continue to rehash issues that have long been settled. They are stuck in the 18th century. Mind, body and soul. We need to rid ourselves of the old, stagnant minds who have had way too much influence over this country and for far too long. It is past time to step into the light and become a well educated country again.

                      • 4 votes
                      #11.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:51 PM EST
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                      leonthecat

                      Catholics have no leg to stand on with this issue. No Catholic is being asked to use contraception.

                      When a catholic owned institution wants to act like and profit like a secular entity they must be governed like one.

                      They employ non-catholics at those institutions and to take away their freedoms by applying the dictates of the Vatican would be absolutely medieval.

                      • 10 votes
                      Reply#12 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST
                      UVA

                      Catholics have no leg to stand on with this issue. No Catholic is being asked to use contraception.

                      The poll number show 98% of Catholic women use contraceptives or provide them to their daughters.
                      And I suspect that number will only increase.

                      • 8 votes
                      #12.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:38 AM EST
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                      dhaliajones

                      Is the Church in the Business of Religion or the Religion of Business?

                      The Religion of Business is to make profit$ and should abide by the labor laws of business, and taxe$.

                      The Business of Religion is distribute a doctrine of mere MEN who claim to be the messenger of God's Word , to convert hearts and minds to follow as sheep.

                      Contraception deprives the Catholic Church of Children to molest!

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#13 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:38 AM EST
                      UVA

                      Is the Church in the Business of Religion or the Religion of Business?

                      They are also in the "Religion of Government", and they pay lobbyists a lot of money to push their agenda in front of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.

                      • 7 votes
                      #13.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:45 AM EST
                      BobbyG-420766

                      Political Lobbyists - A very blatant disregard for the separation of church and state...

                      • 6 votes
                      #13.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:10 AM EST
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                      UVA

                      Here's how this helps The Obama Re-Election campaign:

                      1. It exposes Mitt Romney to fresh flip-flopper charges - Back in 2005, a strongly pro-choice Romney was already "demanding that insurance companies cover contraceptives." This is in video from speeches he made.

                      2. Republican candidates are infighting over the issue
                      Instead of focusing on Obama, Republicans are wounding each other over the contraception mandate. Rick Santorum has used the issue to "level one of his harshest attacks on Mitt Romney. According to Santorum, Romney "trounced" on the fundamental right to religious freedom" with similar measures in Massachusetts. Romney's campaign accuses Santorum of twisting the facts.

                      3. And many Catholics actually agree with Obama
                      While more than 150 Roman Catholic bishops have criticized Obama's birth control mandate, a recent Public Religion Research Institute study found that American Catholics themselves "overwhelmingly support the new rules," says Lauren Fox at U.S. News & World Report. In fact, six in 10 U.S. Catholics support the requirement, making it even more popular among Catholics than in the general population.


                      • 11 votes
                      Reply#14 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM EST
                      dhaliajones

                      UVA

                      Absolutely! I forgot about that one!

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#15 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM EST
                      David-1830107

                      Listening to progressive radio this morning they are quite worried about this. I personally agree with pill being available. But I am an Atheist. It will be interesting how this works out. Cause even if 60% of Cath women use BC how many will admit it in front of their church and or go against it. 76% of the US is Religious in one aspect.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#16 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM EST
                      UVA

                      Cause even if 60% of Cath women use BC how many will admit it in front of their church and or go against it. 76% of the US is Religious in one aspect.

                      How many Catholics smoke pot or run traffic lights? Lots I'll bet!

                      But I doubt any will be compelled to just stand up in church on Sunday and blab it all over.

                      • 5 votes
                      #16.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:48 AM EST
                      David-1830107

                      Did you get my point though?

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST
                      Thinknaboutit

                      Catholics wouldn't be compelled to stand up in church and blab it. They "might" admit it in the confessional and say a few prayers in penenance. If word gets out to the congregation though they have to be quietly moved to a new parish.

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:57 AM EST
                      UVA

                      @David -

                      Did you get my point though?

                      I didn't ... help me to understand ...

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:14 PM EST
                      UVA

                      They "might" admit it in the confessional and say a few prayers in penenance. If word gets out to the congregation though they have to be quietly moved to a new parish.

                      ha ha ha ha ... probably true, since the Catholic Church has experience in doing this!

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.5 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST
                      David-1830107

                      My Point was thinkaboutits... he said it better :)

                      • 2 votes
                      #16.6 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:31 PM EST
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                      RI Mom

                      I've heard the GOP say some very uncharitable, heinous things about our President, liberals and woman's rights....so it is hard for me to grasp their holier than thou attitude on contraception.

                      • 8 votes
                      Reply#17 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:40 AM EST
                      Michael in S J

                      President Barack Obama must not bend down to ANY religion.

                      By standing firm, he has the chance to put religion back into its place.

                      By caving, he empowers these magical organizations, whose own members in the majority, do not support many of the organizations rules, specifically when it comes to a woman's body.

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#18 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:53 AM EST
                      babina

                      I don't get it. Twenty-eight states already require health insurance plans to cover contracept­ives; 8 of those states require it with no exemptions­, not even for churches or any other religious institution. In fact many major Catholic universiti­es and hospitals, even if they are not located in one of the 28 states that require them to cover contracept­ives for employees, do so.

                      So where was the church screaming about this then?

                      • 8 votes
                      Reply#19 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:54 AM EST
                      RI Mom

                      Boggles the mind...doesn't it?

                      • 4 votes
                      #19.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:00 PM EST
                      UVA

                      I don't get it. Twenty-eight states already require health insurance plans to cover contracept­ives; 8 of those states require it with no exemptions­, not even for churches or any other religious institution.

                      Exactly ... so it should be easy to understand the White House did yet another masterful job of jerking a knot in John Boehner's read-end!

                      • 4 votes
                      #19.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:18 PM EST
                      Michael in S J

                      Twenty-eight states already require health insurance plans to cover contracept­ives

                      This is not a religious issue; it is a political issue.

                      If Obama pulled all federal support for religious organizations the hue and cry would be he is attacking religion: yet he would be entirely within the Constitution in doing so.

                      The catholic bishops need to be shown their place and that is in a church, not politics.

                      • 4 votes
                      #19.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:28 PM EST
                      Donna-3163307

                      You're right Michael in SJ. ALL churches should be in the business of saving individual souls not trying to force their agenda through government. Each citizen has one vote and their ideals should be expressed through that one vote. Religious institutions should not be using donated dollars to meddle in government.

                      • 3 votes
                      #19.4 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:19 PM EST
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                      Jack Soetopo

                      Here's how this helps The Obama Re-Election campaign:

                      1. It exposes Mitt Romney to fresh flip-flopper charges - Back in 2005, a strongly pro-choice Romney was already "demanding that insurance companies cover contraceptives." This is in video from speeches he made.

                      2. Republican candidates are infighting over the issue
                      Instead of focusing on Obama, Republicans are wounding each other over the contraception mandate. Rick Santorum has used the issue to "level one of his harshest attacks on Mitt Romney. According to Santorum, Romney "trounced" on the fundamental right to religious freedom" with similar measures in Massachusetts. Romney's campaign accuses Santorum of twisting the facts.

                      3. And many Catholics actually agree with Obama
                      While more than 150 Roman Catholic bishops have criticized Obama's birth control mandate, a recent Public Religion Research Institute study found that American Catholics themselves "overwhelmingly support the new rules," says Lauren Fox at U.S. News & World Report. In fact, six in 10 U.S. Catholics support the requirement, making it even more popular among Catholics than in the general population.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#20 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:15 PM EST
                      Michael in S J

                      True!

                      True!

                      True!

                      Will make for good TV ads down the road.

                      • 3 votes
                      #20.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:30 PM EST
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                      UVA

                      Democratic strategists think voters who oppose President Obama because of the birth-control rule wouldn't have voted for him anyway. The strategists think most Catholic women — like most other American women — believe that birth control should be affordable and available.

                      http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/06/nation/la-na-contraceptives-fight-20120206

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#21 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST
                      JBURNS-1894015

                      Until very recently, I had never seen an ad that begs for Catholics to come back to the church. Now there are dating sights for Christians. God is telling them to join a dating service. But God is telling them that it is their time to choose a partner.

                      Give me a break.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#22 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST
                      UVA

                      Until very recently, I had never seen an ad that begs for Catholics to come back to the church. Now there are dating sights for Christians. God is telling them to join a dating service.

                      This way, the Catholic church can recruit the most desperate, and control what they do in their bedrooms.

                      • 2 votes
                      #22.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:59 PM EST
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                      john-482021

                      It's a shame that anyone running for public office has to beg for support from the fake christians in this country. They make up over 70% of the population, so you can't get elected without their support. Too many plastic puppets running our government due to this. Even if you are sane, you have to pretend to be insane enough to believe there is an invisible man in the sky who is going to judge all of us when we die. Hell, if people are so scared of this invisible man, why don't they live according to the Bible's teachings? Hardly any of them do. There are more atheists than there are real Christians in this country and the world. I would like to see people quit pretending to believe in this childish story about God and Jesus and get on with the real issues or at least start living according to the Bible's teachings. According to the Bible, a rich person can not go to heaven and all we have running our country are rich people. Jesus was all about helping the poor and providing health care for the sick but you would never guess that if you pay attention to the phonies in charge of Christianity in our churches. According to most fake christians, all you have to do to get to heaven is give all the money you can at church on Sunday so the preacher can deliver it to the invisible man but most of all you must hate gay people even though these words are not in the Bible. I know rich people are condemned in the Bible, but this is never mentioned in Sunday sermons. I would love to see real Christians stand up to the people who have hijacked christianity in our country.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#23 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:03 PM EST
                      Borncorn

                      Is our Country only Catholic? What if a Church doesn't believe in any medical treatment? Do we have to allow that also?

                      Oregon doctors have said that Alayna Wyland, an 18-month-old with a massive growth covering her left eye, may go blind because her parents refused to get her medical treatment on religious grounds.

                      Today jury selection continues in the trial of Timothy and Rebecca Wyland, who have been charged with first-degree criminal mistreatment of their child, only days after the state House passed a bill to be tougher on faith-healing parents.

                      The Wylands, who are 43 and 22, respectively, and are members of the Followers of Christ Church, told authorities they believed that prayer and anointing oils would heal their daughter's hemangioma, an abnormal growth of blood vessels that was occluding her vision.

                      In the past two years, Oregon's Clackamas County has prosecuted two other couples from the same church whose children died from untreated ailments. One, Jeff and Marci Beagley, were convicted of criminally negligent homicide last year and sentenced to 16 months in prison.

                      Their 16-year-old son, Neil, died of complications from an untreated urinary tract blockage.

                      "With an adult who refuses medical help, it's not a problem -- it's one of the freedoms we have in this country," said Gordon Melton, director of the California-based Institute for the Study of American Religions. "But if it's a child, the state has an interest in the child remaining healthy and becoming an adult. The court can step in and assume parental control."

                      Followers of Christ is an independent evangelical church that emerged in the 19th century and now has about 5,000 to 10,000 members, according to Melton.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#24 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM EST
                      UVA

                      They make up over 70% of the population, so you can't get elected without their support.

                      Just remember that 98% of Catholic women say in every poll taken that they use or dispense contraceptives.

                      • 3 votes
                      #24.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:01 PM EST
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                      TheyreAllCrooks

                      The Catholic church is overloaded with hypocrits. More than half the states have had this program for many years and not a word from the bishops!

                      Now John Boehner is threatning to pass a bill because the President is violating the constitution - but is absolutely NO constitutional issue here. This is purely cheap politics and the church has been busted on all counts.

                      The good news is...the only reason we're talking about contraceptives is because the economy is getting better and they don't want to give the president any credit for that!

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#25 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:59 PM EST
                      UVA

                      The Catholic church is overloaded with hypocrits. More than half the states have had this program for many years and not a word from the bishops!

                      And even Georgetown University, a VERY catholic University, has provided contraceptive drug benefits to their female employees for 25+ years.

                      • 4 votes
                      #25.1 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:03 PM EST
                      UVA

                      The good news is...the only reason we're talking about contraceptives is because the economy is getting better and they don't want to give the president any credit for that!

                      This was a smart move by the White House. They floated the "reminder" out through the whorish media, waking the sleeping Tea Party dog from its recent stupor,

                      • 4 votes
                      #25.2 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:06 PM EST
                      TheyreAllCrooks

                      So has DePaul University, the largest in the country!

                        #25.3 - Thu Feb 9, 2012 11:45 PM EST
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